Circumcision in Bible
How did circumcision start in the Bible?
According to Genesis, God told Abraham to circumcise himself, his household and his slaves as an everlasting covenant in their flesh. Those who were not circumcised were to be ‘cut off’ from their people (Genesis 17:10-14). Note the connection between circumcision and slavery. It is alluded to in the New Testament.
Since the Mosaic Law commands that if a woman give birth to a male child, he should be circumcised in the foreskin of his flesh on the eighth day (Lev. 12:2-3), on this, the eighth day from His Nativity, our Saviour accepted the circumcision commanded by the Law. According to the command of the Angel, He received the Name which is above every name: JESUS, which means “Saviour” (Matt. 1:21; Luke 1:31 and 2:21).
Did Jesus approve Circumcision?
Jesus did approve of Circumcision. We have a clear contradiction between Paul and Jesus!
Below we well see how Paul contradicted himself regarding the issue of circumcision by approving it. Ok, so now Christians decided to follow Paul’s contradicting commands regarding prohibiting circumcision. How about also following his commands when he ordered for Christians women to shut up in Churches:
“women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. (From the NIV Bible, 1 Corinthians 14:34)”
Today, we not only hear Christian women speak and cheer in Churches, but ironically, they also preach. And to the female Christian Missionaries, how about not teaching the Bible at all to men! “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. (From the NIV Bible, 1 Timothy 2:12)”
We see that Paul did not prohibit circumcision, but preached that it is not physically necessary, even though his GOD, Jesus (as Trinitarian Christians believe) was circumcised as shown below without any objections from GOD toward Mary and Joseph. He said “Circumcision has value if you observe the law…”, which clearly prove that he did not prohibit this genital mutilation act, and had no problem with it being practiced. He personally didn’t like it, but he didn’t prohibit it! He tried to prove that it takes more than a physical circumcision to be considered a Jew; “The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you…” As I said, Paul personally didn’t like circumcision, but he didn’t prohibit it.
Below we will see that Jesus had no problem with circumcision
Between Jesus and Paul, there is a clear contradiction in religious teaching. Paul had negative opinions with circumcision, while Jesus and the Father had no problem, and Jesus allowed it during his ministry and didn’t negatively comment about it, and the Father saw no problem in circumcising Jesus.
“Jesus said to them, ‘I did one miracle, and you are all astonished. Yet, because Moses gave you circumcision (though actually it did not come from Moses, but from the patriarchs), you circumcise a child on the Sabbath. Now if a child can be circumcised on the Sabbath so that the law of Moses may not be broken, why are you angry with me for healing the whole man on the Sabbath? Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment.’ (From the NIV Bible, John 7:21-24)”
By saying “Now if a child can be circumcised…”, Jesus had no problem with circumcising children what so ever.
In fact, he himself was circumcised: “When the angels had left them and gone into heaven, the shepherds said to one another, ‘Let’s go to Bethlehem and see this thing that has happened, which the Lord has told us about.’ So they hurried off and found Mary and Joseph, and the baby, who was lying in the manger. When they had seen him, they spread the word concerning what had been told them about this child, and all who heard it were amazed at what the shepherds said to them. But Mary treasured up all these things and pondered them in her heart. The shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things they had heard and seen, which were just as they had been told. On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise him, he was named Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he had been conceived. (From the NIV Bible, Luke 2:15-21)”
If Jesus the GOD as Trinitarian Christians falsely claim wanted to prohibit circumcision, or if GOD wanted to prohibit circumcision in the New Testament, then he would’ve inspired Mary and Joseph not to circumcise Jesus. Jesus never even once prohibited circumcision, even though circumcision back then was brutal and different than the circumcision of today done to the babies at the hospitals.
Perhaps Jesus’ penis was all or mostly sliced off! The Biblical circumcision was brutal during olden times. Perhaps maybe this is the reason why Jesus never got married. His sexual desires probably got weakened enough, that it physiologically effected him, or perhaps even his penis was all sliced off all together. There is no verse in the Bible that disputes this claim, especially after knowing that Christians did slice off their penises in the past in the name of the Bible before. circumcision back then was done to weaken the person’s desires and ability for performing sex and enjoying sexual pleasure. It is equivalent to what we call today “genital mutilation”.
Jesus did approve of the Law that the Jews were following: “Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 5:17-18)”
The Old Testament mentions only male genital mutilation:
“This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 17:10)”
The Bible makes no mention of prohibiting genital circumcision or mutilation to females, even though it does have rules regarding women and what women are and are not allowed to do.
And since the New Testament clearly contradicts the Old Testament in this issue as we’ve seen in the “Genital mutilation for females came from and before the existence of the Jews’ Talmud” section above, then it is quite obvious that the Bible had been corrupted and altered by man-made cultural laws.
Ironically, the Bible itself admits that it had been badly corrupted before. Let us look at what GOD Almighty said in the Bible: “`How can you say, “We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD,” when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?’ (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)”
The Revised Standard Version makes even clearer: “How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)”
Genital mutilation was practiced by Jews and Christians to reduce the sexual abilities of the person to keep him/her purified. There are absolutely no limits as to how much cutting should be allowed to the male’s or female’s glance in both the Bible and the Talmud.
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Legalism is not the answer to this question.
Legalism of the old covenant.
The New Covenant is the answer.
Have you not read the word made flesh?
The Old Testament fulfilled to bring fourth
The New and Everlasting Covenant.
One would think you worship the creature
and not the Creator.
Love Your Neighbor as yourself? (Islam Inshallah.)
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There is no proof that the new testament is better then the old testament…actually, the new testament stems from old testament ideas. you christians forget, faith without works is dead. you only focus on faith. that is your folly and you have failed God. his wrath will come upon you, if you dont listen to Jesus….if you love jesus, follow his commandments. end of story.
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This is obviously not an article written by a Christian. This article is written by an atheist or some other religion trying to do satire. Jesus probably had his entire penis removed? Circumcision was MORE brutal in biblical times? Circumcision was performed to curb sexual appetites? This is the biggest pile of non facts I’ve ever read.
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Circumcision in the Old Testament was not “brutal” in the least bit. Im not sure what your references are, however, in Biblical times a small portion of the foreskin was literally “snipped” which took less than second. This was only for the shedding of blood. NEVER was the foreskin completely removed!! Today Circumcision takes anywhere from 6-20 minutes to perform. If God wanted the foreskin to be removed, He would have not have created it in the first place. The BRUTALLY PAINFUL circumcision that is practiced today came into play in the 1800’s to prevent male masturbation. The Bible even states that we no longer need to make such Old Covenant sacrifices as Christ’s blood shed on the cross was sufficient for the forgiveness of ALL sins and that if we continue to do such Christ died in vain and there is no means for the remission of sins. Christ’s death also put to death the old covenant. We are now under the NEW COVENANT which is true in that only Christ’s death can save us from sin. This is why we do not practice animal sacrifice today. Circumcision in the old testament was for the same purpose.
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adi0361 – “Im not sure what your references are, however, in Biblical times a small portion of the foreskin was literally “snipped” which took less than second. This was only for the shedding of blood. NEVER was the foreskin completely removed!! Today Circumcision takes anywhere from 6-20 minutes to perform.” – Can you please shoot me your references. I’ve heard this elsewhere too, but I’d like to know the source of the info. Thanks!
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This may be of interest to you! Peace.
http://www.laurelofleaves.com/2011/10/modern-circumcision-is-not-necessary-natural-or-biblical/
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You have answered all my questions regarding circumcision and the beliefs about circumcision. I have two boys, and I did circumsize them for cleanliness and because most boys around the same age as mine are have been circumcized. I have done a great deal of research on this subject, thanks agai for this reply.
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So… you’d rather not have to teach them how to clean their foreskins, nor how to accept themselves as they are inspite of childish persecutions; you’d rather cave to social norms and punish your children for your own weakness of character? Remember, it’s THEIR body parts that you’re cutting off, not yours.
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uncircumcised penises are much more prone to infection including STDs. And it does say in the Bible that boys should be circumcised. God made the boys with the foreskin so that we can show our obedience to him. That’s like saying, if God didn’t want Adam and Eve to eat from the tree of knowledge he wouldn’t have put it in the garden. False. God gives us the commands and gives us free will so we learn to obey him and become followers and Christians on our own.
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allah isn’t real. There is only one God. Serve Him now or serve him later, one day everyone will serve Him. Believe in Him now and end up in heaven or don’t and end up in the lake of fire. The choice is your to make while you are here on earth. After you die it’s too late.
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Even though I’m christian, I have to disagree with you on something. Allah does exist, and so does Yaweh. Christianity, Judaism, and Islam all believe in the same god, but they call him different names and worship him differently. Allah means god in Arabic and they call god Yaweh in Judaism. If you think about it, Judiam came first, then christainity, then Islam. Christianity is just built on to Judaism. The only real difference between the religions is that Judaism believes the messiah has yet to come, Christainity believes that Jesus is the son of god (the messiah), and Islam believes that muhammed is the messiah. Both judaism and islam believed that what jesus taught was true, but they believe he is only a prophet.
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@No One
Peace be with you,
thanks for the post. However we do not believe that Muhammad saw. is the messiah.
We also, like you do, believe that Isa bin Maryam (Jesus son of Mary) is the messiah. The difference is that we do not believe him to be dead, if I remember right, according to Jewish law for example, crucifixion meant the curse of God on that person, we do not believe that God would let his prophet and messenger pbuh die in such a way. Rather we believe that God raised Jesus pbuh up to Him, saving him. We also believe that he will come back at the end of times, defeat the Antichrist and eventually die naturally.
Muhammad pbuh we believe is the final Prophet and Messenger to all of mankind in contrast to other Prophets(25 Prophets are named in the Quran) who we believe were sent to specific people/tribes.
We do not believe in Jesus pbuh being the son of God as you said, but a Prophet and Messenger who performed miracles by God’s permission.
Wa Salam. 🙂
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As a Muslim I should correct one thing, we dont believe that the prophet, Muhammed is the Messiah. He is just the final prophet, he is human as all we are and he was the example how to be a good person/ muslim. And of course there is only one God (Allah) and he has no son. And the Messiah is yet to come before the judgment day.. Indeed the Messiah is the prophet Jesus as a person, not a son or part of divinity. Messiah didnt die and didnt rise from death at all. Jews wanted to crucify him because it would meant a lot for them. Crucification means that person is cursed and if they can do that they could prove that Jesus is not the Messiah. But couldnt do that since God took him to a different life form, it’s a life form like in between human and angels, if you will. (Rise may mean rise to sky / heaven in bible, not rise from death — I just realized this actually and it makes more sense now.. Because as a muslim I believe I can interpret Bible pretty good, there are so many similarities and I can see where the difference in interpretations come from)
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Um…. Paul was a Jew first and was circumcised. He was one of the most educated religious teachers in Judaism in his day. He knew all the laws and was murdering Christians who preached against Judaism. So, when he met Jesus and got saved, he considered all of it a lost for the sake of following Jesus!! Therefore, because of Jesus and the work of the cross and power of God exerted in him to raise him from the dead, all of these ceremonial practices to show you were a covenant keeping Jew became immaterial. Belief in Jesus was the only thing that matter to Paul, the Christian. That is not contrarian to Jesus! Paul submits entirely to Him! In Obedience, Jesus submitted entirely to the Father. Therefore, Paul does the work of God!
Your points are not correct. Paul exchanged his way of Judaism for Jesus’ victory and Holy Spirit to live in his heart. Ephesians chapter 1 and 2.
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“Circumcision has value if you observe the law…”, which clearly prove that he did not prohibit this genital mutilation act, and had no problem with it being practiced.”
Paul’s saying that circumcision doesn’t mean anything if the person is living like a hypocrite because circumcision was being viewed more like a pointless ritual to secure that person’s salvation.
It doesn’t mean he’s against circumcision and contradicting against Jesus.
I feel like you’re trying to make a point using weak sources and assumptions.
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Go and read gallatian 5:2
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How can an eight day old baby knowingly enter into a covenant with God? Circumcision is the parents’ display of their own faith and the child is the object of that display. This is how religion works. Parents are allowed to practise their religion on their own children, and as the primary instructors of a child’s world view, indoctrinate them with a particular faith. Spontaneous self-circumcision as an adult would be considered aberrant behavior, if the practise did not already exist.
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Finally someone points this out. If it were really a self affirmation of one’s conviction to the covenant, the child at an age of understanding would consider (or not) having this done to him. Parents are required to do it so that the tradition continues as a baby is helpless to defend itself against such an attack. And yes, circumcisions done at the time of Jesus, left a functioning foreskin. It was irate Rabbi’s that didn’t like the fact that Jews could disguise themselves by stretching the remaining skin to completely cover their glans. It was around 150AD the Rabbis decreed full circumcision like what is done today.
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Read and do research on the law of God before u type on internet,,,,circumsition is what the Almigthy demanded from a male child 8days after he was born,so what’s the problem with that and u said hw can a baby go into convenant with God while still in so young age,,,u are talking frm a physical perspective but it is beyond this bro,,,,this is pure spiritual in nature and what u can’t see when it is been made with him……..so whatever is spiritual (ie in connection with God becareful and don’t just talk for talking sake bro and am not figthing u but advising u…….peace
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It appears to be aberrant behavior whether the practice is performed in infancy or adulthood. I suppose if an adult chose to be circumcised as an adult it would be their decision for whatever reason. However, to force an infant or an adult to have a sexual wounding of their genitals and suggest this is offered as a covenant to God seems sadistic and brutal. Not a God I want to worship but a God of sexual shaming.
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This whole thing is ripped out of context. The New Testament condemns circumcision, Paul especially. For we are not circumcised in the flesh, but in our hearts. You are misrepresenting the text and the Christian faith.
Behold, I, Paul, tell you that if you be circumcised, Christ will be of no advantage to you. – Galatians 5:2
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If this is the best you can do as a writer ….I think you need to find something else to do. You obviously have not studied this with due diligence. Circumcision represented cutting sin out of ones life(and obedience to Gods Laws). Can one keep God’s Laws perfectly on this earth….No…..that is why the Law was a school master that leads to Christ our SAVIOUR. If you look up all texts on circumcision, which is the proper thing to do, you will see that over and over it is related to flesh, sin, and obedience. That is why True circumcision is of the heart, by the Spirit. Jesus made that possible by dying for all mankind. We are saved through faith in Him. Physical circumcision has NEVER saved anyone. It is to be internalized, the New testament is very clear about this and the old testament in various texts alludes to it………..Sin can only be cut out of our lives by the Spirit of God which is in us.
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It is better to obey and find out later that you had done too much than disobeying and realize you have missed the boat. After death, no way back beloved.
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Firstly, this is basically ‘pascal’s wager’. Secondly, circumcision out of fear of accepting what is written in the new testament is not necessarily the better way to go. You are not necessarily doing “more”, but in reality, not being a Christian who adheres to the words of the new testament could be viewed by many as “missing the boat” entirely.
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wow! Xtains are in good in illogical twisting………….
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8th day circumcision was done to prevent future disease. Uncircumcised males tend to harbor more bacteria leading to infections. On the 8th day of a person ‘s life, the blood begins to clot. If circumcision is performed before the 8th day of life, the baby could bleed out. God’s command is clearly divine. No one in that day could have known of diseases that could come about if not circumcised, and God knowing that blood starts clotting on the 8th day was nothing short of divine knowledge.
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Bull.
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Wow, you really stretched that didn’t you!
Good try though!
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Using the bible which condones circumcision as a covenant between man and God is an absurdity knowing the effects of trauma. Performing genital mutilation on infants without their consent is child sexual abuse. Anyone can justify it any way they want either through religious dogma or medical necessity. It reduces sensation and is a terrible way to welcome anyone in the world. It’s been outlawed for women. When will we see the damage done to infant attachment bonds with a mother and the dysregulation of the human nervous system which this traumatic practice creates. How can one feel welcomed and trusting in a world when we still continue to sexually wound male infants and perpetuate sexual shame.
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Circumcision is directly connected to slavery and sexual shame.
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so,Who slaved Abraham ?
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My heart goes out to you my friend…a little knowledge is so often a dangerous thing, especially when we try so hard to discredit teachings and doctrines well tested through time. I have learned over time that a humble attitude towards many teachings in the Bible eventually showed me how wrong I was in the first place about certain inconsistencies and apparent contradictions. Assuming that we are wise, or clever, we so often find that we are the most ignorant afterall.
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You clearly did not read Paul’s argument carefully and unbaisedly. Paul’s whole point was that Jesus was the fulfullment of the Law, and that by the keeping of the Law no man is justified with God. Jesus was/is the fulfillment of God’s promise to Abram, 430 years before the Law, that through Abram, through his “seed”, which was promised through Isaac, “All the families of the earth would be blessed”. We are all blessed through Jesus, the “Seed” of Abram, Who paid for the sins of the world, and that through faith in Him we are blessed with the grace and forgiveness of God for eternal life with HIm. We are saved by what God has done through His promise to Abram, and through his legitimate wife Sarah, and through their son Isaac and grandson Jacob. Jesus was circumcised, and later “cut off” in the flesh of His body to show that He was the fulfillment of God’s promise to and through Abram. Abram Himself showed he understood God’s plan when Abram took Isaac up on Mt. Moriah to offer Isaac as a sacrifice. Isaac was a type of the one to come, being the “Seed” of Abram and the one through whom the promise would find fulfillment. For it was at Mt. Moriah Jesus, the true sacrifice, was offered to bring the blessing to ALL the families of the earth. And since Jesus was the fulfillment Paul preached circumcision was unnecessary for God’s promise had been fulfilled, therefore “circumcision avails nothing, nor does uncircumcision, but Christ in Whom is the new creation”. Try reading Paul again friend, this time more slowly and carefully.
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Well I’ve seen quite a bit, but this article on circumcision is the most blatantly ignorant one to date. First off, let’s separate some lies from the truth. The Abrahamic Covenant that was established was to separate the true Jews from non-believers at the time. All MEN (sorry, no women) were to be circumcised. Paul’s teachings were not at odds with Jesus Christ. He was born to devote Jews, so of course, He (Christ) was circumcised. But, you so cleverly (in your own eyes think) that you hit upon something, so you destort the Bible and Christianity. You follow a religion bastardized by Mohammed (the pedophile that took a child as a bride and made up a religion to serve men and war.) For all those poor Christians who believe that Allah is the same God you worship – please take note, his teachings changed as did the way he was received by those from his clan and the Jews who would then come to reject him – the so-called love ended, and when one god was needed to satisfy a tribe he wanted to convert, he chose to make Allah that god, but previously, Allah had female counterparts. I suggest you look up the Satanic Verses of Islam to understand who these women gods were. Also do some reading. When Mohammed was a small boy, he worshipped the Kaaba stone and in that same temple were pagan gods, a statue of Mary, and the area was known for having Christians that were excommunicated from the Church for also trying to bastardize Christianity. It is no wonder that Mohammed followed in their footsteps. Mohammed’s uncle followed his chief pagan god by the name of Allah and even, in a sense, proclaimed his unity…Among the pagan Arabs this term denoted the chief god of their pantheon, the Kaaba, with its three hundred and sixty idols.
Allah was actually the chief of the 360 gods [one for each day of the year] being worshipped in Arabia at the time Muhammad rose to prominence. Ibn Al-Kalbi gave 27 names of pre-Islamic deities… Interestingly, not many Muslims want to accept that Allah was already being worshipped at the Ka’ba in Mecca by Arab pagans before Muhammad came. Some Muslims become angry when they are confronted with this fact. Muhammad actually kept the 3 women though gods. Until it did not suit him. Again, google the Satanic Verses and you’ll see why Islam HAD to evolve into one god. But, please Christians, do not ever repeat another man’s words and treat them as truth, as Allah is not the same “god” after all, have you forgotten that Christ is part of the Trinity and that He is the Son of God? Well Islam is more than vocal about denying this and the resurrection. They even have mutiliated scripture to the point of saying Christ had someone else take His place on the cross. So, there would be the end of His shedding His blood for our sins.
There’s more evidence to back this claim, but let’s move on please .. Read this page:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Islamic%20Muslim/islam_exposed.htm
Christ never abolished the traditions of the Jews. He said to respect them. But for the salvation of Christians, it was no longer necessary to perform circumcision or any other tradition or law set forth prior to His ministry because of what you have twisted as the New Convenant. Early Church Fathers addressed this here:
http://www.catholicdoors.com/faq/qu340.htm
This is a very sick person that wrote this webpage and it couldn’t be more wrong!
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your many lies are exposed here !
http://islamgreatreligion.wordpress.com/tag/what-is-moon-god/
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I wrote a rather lengthy response to the statements made by this author disproving his claims; but alas, it was deleted! Censoring the facts to again twist this perversion is yet another attempt to defraud the masses. I am going to now just make an appeal to all Christians who believe that the Islamic Allah is the same god as the God of Judaism and Christianity. If Muhammed was a true prophet and you honestly believe that Allah is the same “god” then you need to think carefully about what you say and believe. I want you to pray and discern the following argument for yourself:
As Christians we know that the religion of Judaism is in the Old Testament and is mentioned countless times in the New Testament. Without a doubt we know that the Jewish people were the chosen people of God .. then came our Lord Jesus Christ. If you believe that the Islamic Allah is a god, a pagan god of the moon who had a wife and child gods, worshipped for centuries prior to Muhammed’s birth by Arabs then you would be correct. However, if you believe that “the Islamic Allah” is the same god, as the God of Judaism and Christianity, how do you ever come to terms with a prophet who declares new rules from your supposed God?
Your God declaring to this prophet that Christ did not die upon the cross for your sins but was just a man, NOT the word of God made flesh?
Your God declaring that Christ did not sacrifice Himself upon the cross?
Your God declaring that Muhammed is the last prophet prior to the end of the world?
Your God allowing Gabriel AND Satan(jinn) to dictate a book to a prophet that founds the next succession of your faith?
Your God stating that all the world must understand Arabic, convert to Islam or be referred to as “infidels” and if they do not submit will be killed or become a Muslim’s slave?
Your God stating that Jews should be stoned to death and are cowards?
Your God starting a religion that changes it’s tone as Muhammed faces those who would not convert, laughs at him and then the entire religion takes on the sword for conversion?
Your God commanding for centuries a bloody war in which most of the continent and beyond is either converted FROM Christianity or Judaism to Islam commanded to be killed and the women taken as wives from this Islamic war machine’s soldiers?
Your God allowing his last prophet to have sexual relations with a 9 year old wife and allowing in his holy book that all men can do the same, but must wait for the first menstruation of the child?
Your God commanding you to pray facing Jerusalem and then changing his mind because the Jews shunned his prophet so you must now face Mecca? (I guess your god didn’t see that one coming!)
What about the Book of Revelations and everything written in the Bible? Are you seriously going to throw out the entire Bible? Come on now. And finally, if you do believe that the Islamic Allah is the same god as the God of Judaism and Christianity, then YOU cannot be a Christian anymore as you, by order of your God must convert now to Islam, because “God” has spoken and said you must submit to Islam. Seriously?? This is how Islam converts good Christians to submit to their cult. Btw, they also have printed many Qurans that also leave out the word “jihad” censoring it to be merely a peaceful religion. It is not until a convert is fully in and makes their trek to Mecca that they begin to find out what is in the real Quran used by Muslims. Do you believe YOUR God would have you follow a censored book after the Bible to fool Christians or non-believers? Are you no longer to be content with living as a Christian and when you do die, you no longer look forward to being in heaven with your Lord? But .. instead, you (if a man) will have a lounge chair, a palm tree, alcohol that does not make you drunk, countless virgins and a “boy as a white as a pearl” for your sexual pleasures with night and day in heaven as well and the women becoming virgins each new day again? (To be honest, I have yet to discover the lure for women in Islam; as it takes two women’s testimony to be equal to one man’s and Muslim men can divorce their wives, but women cannot divorce and are basically treated as slaves themselves. And again and again, if a woman is raped, she is summarily executed! Naturally she had to be at fault! :rollseyes: )
In closing, if you believe that the Islamic Allah is the same god worshiped by both Judaism and Christianity, then YOU ARE A MUSLIM! There is no other logical assumption to make. True believers in Jesus Christ our Lord know that it is impossible for the Islamic Allah to be the same God who we worship and await His Second Coming with joyful anticipation! We know that the Islamic Allah is a pagan god and Islam a false and Anti-Christian cult. We are commanded to pray for all those in Islam just as we do for Atheists and love them. We are NOT commanded to justify their beliefs to the point of stating their pagan god the Islamic Allah is our God, who is merciful, loving, and would sacrifice Christ for our Salvation. We are not commanded to hate the Muslim people, but to love them. We are also not commanded to believe Islam is a religion and yes, we can dislike it, as it is a form of pagan worship and satanism. Pray for Muslims, but denounce the Islamic Allah as your “God” not the opposite.
The Islamic Allah is NOT and never will be the God of Judaism and Christianity. No matter how many people state Allah is, it will never make it true as these people have never studied Islam nor thought the process of a succession of God through. My God is not the Allah of Islam. Regardless of either belief; 1) Allah is ‘the god” in Arabic or 2) Allah does not mean “the god” – is of no consequence to a Christian’s belief.
If this message is also deleted, obviously the writer of this webpage cannot make sense of his own so called religion and face the statements made here in my post.
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//I wrote a rather lengthy response to the statements made by this author disproving his claims; but alas, it was deleted!
Censoring the facts to again twist this perversion is yet another attempt to defraud the masses. //
if i really deleted ur cmnt before..then i will never activate this one.
anyways,may be tricks of christians to activate cmnts..
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//I am going to now just make an appeal to all Christians who believe that the Islamic Allah is the same god as the God of Judaism and Christianity. If Muhammed was a true prophet and you honestly believe that Allah is the same “god” then you need to think carefully about what you say and believe.
I want you to pray and discern the following argument for yourself:
//As Christians we know that the religion of Judaism is in the Old Testament and is mentioned countless times in the New Testament. Without a doubt we know that the Jewish people were the chosen people of God .. then came our Lord Jesus Christ.
If you believe that the Islamic Allah is a god, a pagan god of the moon who had a wife and child gods, worshipped for centuries prior to Muhammed’s birth by Arabs then you would be correct. //
there is no Islamic Allah or Jewish Allah or Christian Allah.
ALLAH is ONE,THE ONLY GOD.
JESUS CHRIST IS SERVANT OF GOD,MESSENGER AND PROPHET OF GOD AND WORD OF GOD.
Destination is ALLah …so Jesus was the way….after him Muhammad was the way.like them every prophet was the way.
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//However, if you believe that “the Islamic Allah” is the same god, as the God of Judaism and Christianity, how do you ever come to terms with a prophet who declares new rules from your supposed God? //
what new teachings he taught ?
infact it was pagan christians who corrupted bible by adding pagan beliefs in teachings of christ.
NO WHERE JESUS CHRIST SAID OR TEACH TO WORSHIP HIM OR HE IS GOD OR ABOUT TRINITY.
if you believe your God have son and it is ok to worship him…and beliecve in trinity..then
NOTE THAT YOU ARE NOT WORSHIPING THE GOD JEWS WORSHIPED.
THE GOD OF JEWS DON’T HAVE SON AND THERE IS NO TRINITY IN JEWISH RELIGION.
i think its enough for those who have brains to know facts.
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Allah as MOON GOD…
lol
Quran proves – “Allah” is NOT a ‘moon god’:
“And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Do not bow down (prostrate) to the sun nor to the moon, but only bow down (prostrate) to “Allah” Who created them, if you (really) worship Him.”
[Noble Quran 41:37]
and this passage :
“They ask you about the new moons. Say: These are signs to mark fixed periods of time for mankind and for the pilgrimage.” [Noble Quran 2:189]
the Why Muslims use crescent on top of mosque ?
during the time of the Umawis (Umayyad dynasty). It emerged some time after that, and historians differ as to when this symbol was first adopted and who was the first to adopt it. Some say it was the Persians, others say it was the Greeks, and that this symbol was somehow passed to the Muslims.
It was said that the reason why the Muslims adopted the crescent was that when they conquered some western countries, the churches there had crosses on top of them, the Muslims replaced the crosses with these crescents, and the practice spread in this way. Whatever the case, symbols and banners must be in accordance with the teachings of Islam, and as there is no evidence that this symbol is prescribed by Islam, it is better not to use it. Neither the crescent nor the star are symbols of the Muslims, even though some Muslims may use them as symbols.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umayyad_Caliphate
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MOON IS CREATION OF ALLAH …
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//Your God declaring to this prophet that Christ did not die upon the cross for your sins but was just a man, NOT the word of God made flesh? //
Jesus was christ,messenger of god,prophet of god and WORD OF GOD.
//Your God declaring that Christ did not sacrifice Himself upon the cross?//
yes,he didn;t wish to die…remember the prayer he did before arrest in garden.
//Your God declaring that Muhammed is the last prophet prior to the end of the world?//
yeah..he was last prophet [pbuh]
//Your God allowing Gabriel AND Satan(jinn) to dictate a book to a prophet that founds the next succession of your faith?//
sending Quran was not wish of gibrael..he too is angel,followed the orders of creator..
Satan is NOT JINN.gibrael came with quran verse when ever Allah sent him.
//Your God stating that all the world must understand Arabic, convert to Islam or be referred to as “infidels” and if they do not submit will be killed or become a Muslim’s slave?//
Yes,Arabic is unique language…some words of arabic don’t have ords in english..so its good to learn arabic.
there is no verse in holy quran which says or ask to make unbelievers slave…it was tradition…
free slave is good deed in islam.
what you call those who don’t believe in ur theory…infidels ? unbelievers ?
//Your God stating that Jews should be stoned to death and are cowards?//
SORRY…THERE IS NO STONE TO DEATH in quran.
//Your God starting a religion that changes it’s tone as Muhammed faces those who would not convert, laughs at him and then the entire religion takes on the sword for conversion?//
your god did too …from giving punishment to sins to no punishment for sins..
why he changed ? did jesus punished that prostitute..?
//Your God commanding for centuries a bloody war in which most of the continent and beyond is either converted FROM Christianity or Judaism to Islam commanded to be killed and the women taken as wives from this Islamic war machine’s soldiers?//
if there is such command then i wonder why muslims left thousands of coptic christians in middle east.
even your church and monastery in egypt says they exist becoz muslims followed the treaty the made with prophet ,even after 600 yes..
//Your God allowing his last prophet to have sexual relations with a 9 year old wife and allowing in his holy book that all men can do the same,but must wait for the first menstruation of the child?//
childs don’t have mensuration,if a girl have mensuration then she is not child ,this is symbol of girl turning in to women..
you tell me..how jews identified in history a girl is matured now..
Aisha was not child but a young girl.
more over,read more about issue..before prophet proposal , aisha was engaged .
why ?
what was the age of jesus mother when she became pregnant ?
//Your God commanding you to pray facing Jerusalem and then changing his mind because the Jews shunned his prophet so you must now face Mecca? (I guess your god didn’t see that one coming!)//
its god own choice ..what he wish..
//What about the Book of Revelations and everything written in the Bible? Are you seriously going to throw out the entire Bible? Come on now. //
//And finally, if you do believe that the Islamic Allah is the same god as the God of Judaism and Christianity, then YOU cannot be a Christian anymore as you, by order of your God must convert now to Islam, because “God” has spoken and said you must submit to Islam. Seriously?? //
yeah,fully submit to God,like Jesus Christ.
//This is how Islam converts good Christians to submit to their cult. Btw, they also have printed many Qurans that also leave out the word “jihad” censoring it to be merely a peaceful religion. It is not until a convert is fully in and makes their trek to Mecca that they begin to find out what is in the real Quran used by Muslims. //
i don’t have enfo about quran removing word jihad..if anyone did then muslims will never accept..
but if this is issue for you then before questioning us…kindly answer
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/03/02/u-s-catholic-bishops-update-bible-translation-remove-booty-virgin/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1362204/Catholic-group-kicks-booty-attempt-freshen-Bible.html
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//Do you believe YOUR God would have you follow a censored book after the Bible to fool Christians or non-believers? //
so…as i gave how many words your leaders removed…do you follow censored book..?
//Are you no longer to be content with living as a Christian and when you do die, you no longer look forward to being in heaven with your Lord? But .. instead, you (if a man) will have a lounge chair, a palm tree, alcohol that does not make you drunk, countless virgins and a “boy as a white as a pearl” for your sexual pleasures with night and day in heaven as well and the women becoming virgins each new day again? //
you can’t understand this top..this topic need mind,which you lost in ur church.
//(To be honest, I have yet to discover the lure for women in Islam; as it takes two women’s testimony to be equal to one man’s and Muslim men can divorce their wives, but women cannot divorce and are basically treated as slaves themselves. And again and again, if a woman is raped, she is summarily executed! Naturally she had to be at fault! :rollseyes: ) //
yeah yeah…we know..but as im male,if i will say then you will not believe ..so let me ask you to visit this link and read your self cmnts from hundereds of muslim women from different part of world…how they feel too be MUSLIM WOMEN.dare to read
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wrong. circumcision causes boys to sin later in life, not trust the parents, and freeze the mother’s heart. it’s unnatural and not how god intended us. Circumcision came out of ancient Egypt and was learned by the Jews when they were in Egypt and picked up many satanic customs from them, written in their old testament to fool the christians who left Egypt, and practiced widely in the time of Jesus. Jesus did not go against it because that would be going against his family.
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How disillusioned you are. Oh my. Temptation (you know – the devil? who wanted to be greater than God, his Creator?) in the Garden of Eden brought on sin and death – NOT circumcision. Circumcision is a covenant between God and Abram and his seed. Where in the world did you get your far-fetched story? Has nothing to do with satanic customs. Christians aren’t fooled by even people like you! How simple you are – no clue to the depth of a relationship with God. How sad.
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Both of you cultists are wrong. But at least theevolutionofosiris has the guts to err on the side of decency and human compassion. Circumcision is wrong because it is a violation of bodily integrity due to the fact that any medical benefits are sketchy and the risks are not. Most issues with the foreskin can be solved with basic sanitation, and that is what we should be concentrating on improving. Freedom of religion should be a side note when it comes to severing body parts. First and foremost is the child’s basic right to his own body and any medical necessity should it exist.
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Circumcision appears to be yet another issue on which there is a conflict between the old and new testaments that cannot be reconciled. It’s a problem for Christians.
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This site is heresy! Whoever this person is doesn’t know a thing about the Bible. Sad, but Jesus said there’d be false prophets, deceivers and he said they’d hate us because of him (Jesus). If you can’t say anything good about Jesus, please – just take your unbelief to a closet – just you and yourself. There are NO errors in the Bible and one day this person will be on his knees and confessing Jesus is LORD to the glory of God. Amen
I clicked on the first site to check on circumcision and I saw right off this is not a good site.
Btw, Jesus IS THE SON OF GOD. THERE’S MANY SCRIPTURES ABOUT THE FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT – THE TRINITY. And I assure you, there’s NO OTHER WAY to heaven and eternal life but through JESUS CHRIST THE LORD!
Did any of your gods die for you? Give their life for your filthy sins? Not hardly. Josh, you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about – you need to understand the difference between the Old and New Covenant of God – New and Old Testaments. I can see from many of these comments that Christians are going to fight for Jesus and unbelievers are going to spread false information. I can see the world is in pitiful shape and I can see clearly why the end is near. The Lord’s Day is coming quickly.
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Oh my gosh! I agree with you completely. Preach it!
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Look up the definition of the word “freedom”, or stop typing stuff on your modern invention and go hide in your own closet instead. And seriously, stop with the end of the world stuff while you’re at it; you have no earthly idea how quickly it will come, as every single doomsday proclamation in history has been wrong to date (obviously). Also, just fyi, many deities have supposedly died for humanity. You’d know this it you’d actually researched it.
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You are totally misinterpreting the Scriptures and trying to make it sound like the Bible contradicts itself. You can’t just change the translation because it better proves your point and you can’t pretend to know everything and try to act like you have all the answers. You obviously are not a Christian and not very good at reading comprehension or studying the facts. This article really upsets me. I apologize for sounding mean, I just need you to know that this is incorrect information.
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god died for human sins? No wonder many people became atheist
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